just saying what everyone else is

[vaznetti]

It's nice not to feel completely out of step with the fandom re: Dean and his misogynist language; as everyone has pointed out, trollprincess did the math and there's a distinct upswing in the number of times Dean and Sam use pejoratives when addressing women -- from 3 times over 22 episodes to 18 times over 16. So it's not surprising that by the time I got to the end of the season I was more or less unmoved by Dean's suffering.

What I like best, though, are the excuses for it -- which range from "blame CW!" to "that's not sexist!" to "they deserve it!" to "it's because of the fangirls!" But my absolute favorite, so far, has to be "It's all John's fault!" (cereta's whole post there is worth reading, as are the comments). Because although indeed it is theoretically possible that John was a sexist asshole, the textual evidence we have does not support it. I am so tempted to go all teal deery about this! Because sure, Missouri and Ellen (and probably Mary) would totally have put up with that.

Unless calling Kate-the-vampire "sweetheart" counts in this context, of course.

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[camille-is-here.livejournal.com]

Well you know where I stand--the only way I can watch it at all is to stick my fingers in my ears and "la-la-la-la" the whole character development of the past season and a half. I'd have stopped watching a long time ago, except that I like the fanfic and stick around so that I get the context. And they still do pull the occasional gripping moments out of the hat. But it has gotten more bitter and mean with each passing year. It dismays me to see that the same people wrote some wonderful and touch episodes in the past.

I truly worry that what we see on the screen is a reflection of what the writers think we want, based on the chatter they read on their message boards.

And I remember Kripke wondering where all the X-Files fans were, why they weren't watching his show, and wondering what that show had that his show doesn't. And I though, how dumb can you be? It had Dana Scully. Competent, respected, and needed. Half the universe is female. But Kripke never did the math.

[cofax7]

And I remember Kripke wondering where all the X-Files fans were, why they weren't watching his show, and wondering what that show had that his show doesn't.

::jaw drops::

He didn't. REALLY? Because dude, that's just dumb.

[vaznetti]

I am only commenting to applaud the perfect suitability of your icon!

[cofax7]

It is, in fact, perfect. ::preens::

[camille-is-here.livejournal.com]

He did. Honest. That is how blind they are. And yeah, perfect icon.

[vaznetti]

I think I mostly stick around for the fandom, but that may well become less of a draw over time. I've barely read any fic this year, to be honest, particularly off my friends list.

I find the extent to which the showrunners don't understand that they're driving fans like you and me away very frustrating -- almost as frustrating as the thought that they may well know exactly what they're doing.

[camille-is-here.livejournal.com]

Ever since Red Sky it's been clear to me that they don't like their fans and, even more important, are so set on making sure we know it that they will sacrifice the integrity of their own creative vision to insult us. To which, again, how dumb is that?

And I agree that there is less fic that grips me as the newer portrayals muddy the waters.

I think SCC and Bones may make it easier for me to let go of the fandom. I actually have shows that I like a lot now, with interesting interactions in which women play a key role. And a lot of my friends seem to be catching one or the other bandwagon, so it may be time to move on.

[tavella.livejournal.com]

And I remember Kripke wondering where all the X-Files fans were, why they weren't watching his show, and wondering what that show had that his show doesn't. And I though, how dumb can you be? It had Dana Scully. Competent, respected, and needed. Half the universe is female. But Kripke never did the math.

Yow. It's not like X-Files didn't have gender issues all over the place, but in terms of both Scully and various supporting and one shot females, it was miles and miles above the misogyny of SPN.

[camille-is-here.livejournal.com]

I really miss Scully. And Buffy. And Aeryn Sun.

ETA: and Sydney Bristow!