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I spent much of my early life re-reading The Lord of the Rings, including the appendices, so this series was not entirely what I was expecting. But it was fantastic!

I love that they made it The Galadriel Show, pretty much from start to finish (with side appearences for some Numenoreans, some dwarves, some hobbits, and also Gandalf, but mostly the Galadriel show.) I also love that whoever wrote this thing decided to commit 110% to Galadriel/Sauron. Everyone should have that much money to put into their ship manifestos. I love that they had an idea and they stuck to it. And now their little ship of one is going to be famous!

I mean, the whole boat sequence was basically an extended meet-cute engineered by Sauron once he realised Galadriel wasn't actually going to the West, right? I love that the season arc for Sauron was his failed seduction of her -- and that it ended with her recognition of his true nature. I love that she was right all along, but also that she is going to have to become more subtle to face the kind of threat Sauron really is.

(I should also say that as soon as Halbrand and Galadriel got to Numenor, Spartacus identified him as Sauron, and although at first I didn't think it was likely I did think it was a good thing to do with his character -- and obviously as the season went on the clues piled up, and he became more and more the top contender I became more and more hopeful that they would go there. It's always nice to have your hopes met by a narrative.)

Once I heard that they were pushing the whole narrative into a few years, to keep the same human characters, I knew they were going to be jumbling events together, cutting them and shifting them around. Overall it felt more like a reaction to Tolkien's narrative than an adaptation of it -- so for example the people of the Southlands actually get names and faces and choices, and we get at least a hint of pushback against the orc problem via the Adar plotline. I think I enjoyed the sequences with the dwarves and the Harfoots more than those focused on the elves, in part because those were also felt more like an opening out of Tolkien's world than an adaptation of his Second Age narrative. Or I guess those focused on the "fading of the elves" plotline, because both Adar and Arondir provided very different takes on Tolkien's elves.

I love that they included proto-hobbits, and that they saved Gandalf in his first moments in Middle-Earth, as a wizard without his power and knowledge -- and so he will spend the rest of his time there saving them in return. I feel like he does have to be Gandalf, if he is a wizard at all, unless he's one of the three who disappeared into the East.

So overall that was entertaining and satisfying! I did not love everything about it, but I loved more about it than I didn't.

Date: 2022-10-16 08:20 am (UTC)
selenak: (Galadriel by Kathyh)
From: [personal profile] selenak
I also love that whoever wrote this thing decided to commit 110% to Galadriel/Sauron. Everyone should have that much money to put into their ship manifestos. I love that they had an idea and they stuck to it. And now their little ship of one is going to be famous!

Verily. That's the one ship I think no one pre show came up with but the show's writers, and now it's getting massive traction at AO3!

I mean, the whole boat sequence was basically an extended meet-cute engineered by Sauron once he realised Galadriel wasn't actually going to the West, right?

Yep, and I think he summoned the sea monster to provide the appropriate menace as well.

I should also say that as soon as Halbrand and Galadriel got to Numenor, Spartacus identified him as Sauron

Wow, that's way earlier than it ever occured to me. I thought Halbrand would turn into one of the Nine, presumably the Witch King at that point.

I love that they included proto-hobbits, and that they saved Gandalf in his first moments in Middle-Earth, as a wizard without his power and knowledge -- and so he will spend the rest of his time there saving them in return. I feel like he does have to be Gandalf, if he is a wizard at all, unless he's one of the three who disappeared into the East.

Given they gave him the "always follow your nose" line from the FotR movie in the finale, and given all the thematic reasons you named, I think it's safe to say he really is Gandalf.

Date: 2022-10-16 01:22 pm (UTC)
musesfool: a sword (honour demands it)
From: [personal profile] musesfool
Yeah, I was reluctant to peg him as Sauron - though when he showed up trying to work in the smithy, that was definitely a huge clue! - but thought he'd be the Witch King or another of the Nine.

I am totally here for this ship I had never once considered before because they absolutely made it work with Galadriel's particular brand of grief/anger/guilt, and I definitely want to check out all the AUs where she says yes for any number of really terrible reasons (e.g., she can mitigate his fascist tendencies; she can get close and kill him later; she can help him as he put it stay tied to the light; etc.) and of course gets more corrupted as time goes on until they are once again enemies but all of Middle-earth is laid waste between them. *g* Not my usual style of ship but I am here for it!

I also really liked the Adar plotline and how it complicated the orcs and the Southlanders, and the Dwarves were the very best part to me! Durin! Disa! Their marriage! Their friendship with Elrond! So great and I thought the closest to the spirit of Tolkien and an exploration of an area he didn't write much about.
Edited Date: 2022-10-16 01:22 pm (UTC)

Date: 2022-10-16 08:15 pm (UTC)
loligo: Scully with blue glasses (Default)
From: [personal profile] loligo
There were a lot of things I didn't like, but enough things that I did to keep me watching, and I ended up quite pleased with the finale! So much so that I've been contemplating actually posting about it. *g*

Date: 2022-10-28 10:04 pm (UTC)
maidenjedi: (gandalf)
From: [personal profile] maidenjedi
So glad to see this review!

The padawan and I watched the show right on the heels of finishing a read-aloud of The Lord of the Rings, and she's *obsessed* now. Galadriel was an instant favorite and I've spent more time than I can count looking up Elvish translations of common 5th grade slang.

I love that they included proto-hobbits, and that they saved Gandalf in his first moments in Middle-Earth, as a wizard without his power and knowledge -- and so he will spend the rest of his time there saving them in return. I feel like he does have to be Gandalf, if he is a wizard at all, unless he's one of the three who disappeared into the East.

Yes!

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