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So somebody decided that this was "blog about racism week," or maybe "blog against racism week." See here for further details and a list of posts. I had a kind of cranky "this is a bad week for me to blog about racism, actually," moment, but then I decided to post something anyway.

[livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink has a post about ways to suppress discussion of racism. I think it's supposed to be funny, but I'm not sure. I thought it cut a little close to the bone for humor, but it's worth looking at.

I grew up in one of the most diverse cities in the world; I went to a segregated school from second to fourth grade. I don't know what else to call it when you have a gifted class of 20, all but three of whom are white, and a regular class of thirty, all but two of whom are black. That's what we had. (And I think that getting a second grader into a gifted class is only a little about talent, and a lot about knowing how to play the system, and that one of the legacies of racism is that some people both know how to work the system and believe that it will work for them, and some people don't, and that race has something to do with which group you happen to fall into. It's not the only factor, but it's one of them.)

If you think about it for a moment, that's a funny paragraph.

What happened was this: we moved to the Western Addition. In the early 20th century, the neighborhood (or the part we lived in) was mostly Jewish, then it became mostly Japanese. Then World War II happened and the Japanese were sent to camps, and most of them had to sell their houses quickly and cheaply, so a lot of black people bought in. When we moved in, the neighborhood was already gentrifying a little, which in this case is a polysyllabic way of saying that black people were moving out and white people were moving in. My pediatrician lived on our block until his family was deported; my mother says that when she told him what we payed for the house he put his head down and wept.

There were also some Japanese-American families in the neighborhood, because there were still a lot of Japanese institutions around -- groceries and shops restaurants. Not so many in my school. So it's a little weird that I divided the world into "white" and "black" two paragraphs up (especially so soon after using that "diversity" word), but for the purposes of definition, where I grew up, Japanese-Americans were white. As white as Jews were, anyway, and Jews (in my book) are white. If you're not me, or if you're from rural Wisconsin or wherever, your definition will probably be different. But the point I want to make is this: whiteness is not monolithic. Neither is non-whiteness, or blackness (and if you don't believe that, talk to black people whose parents came from Africa or the Caribbean). And whiteness is not a get-out-of-jail-free card, although it does mean that the police are a lot less likely to pick you up in the first place.

In the USA, a lot of the way we talk about racism is predicated on the history of slavery, and that's about "blackness" and "whiteness" as monolithic and opposed identities. I think that sometimes that's a useful way of looking at things, at least within an American context. But sometimes when we talk about race and racism it's useful to make distinctions between different kinds of whiteness and non-whiteness. It's not like one is legitimate and one isn't. But I've seen a lot of discussions of racism fall apart because one set of people are using one paradigm and another are using the other.

Date: 2006-07-19 11:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] embroiderama
Wow, you made me think with your point about the gifted class thing. I went to elementary and middle school in a small blue-collar city with a fairly high Black and Hispanic population (though very few of other ethnicities such as Asian, at least at that time). I was in a gifted class (it just met a couple times/week) from 3rd to 8th grade, and I think that those classes were almost entirely composed of white kids. There was one girl who was Korean but, based on her last name and on what was common in the area, she was probably adopted by a white family. The regular classes I was in the rest of the time had plenty of non-white kids. Holy shit. I had realy never considered that. How screwed up.

Date: 2006-07-19 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
Many of the participants in this discussion (notably [livejournal.com profile] oyceter) are nonwhite and nonblack. Oyceter has had some intelligent things to say about Asianness being "honorary white" in some cases, not in others, and that there are stereotypical burdens associated with being Asian.
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Date: 2006-07-19 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] se-parsons.livejournal.com
I went to an all-white school in an all-white neighborhood. We had one Jewish family. We had two Indian families and one of my two best friends was 1/4 Native American. That was IT for diversity.

And yet, the majority of people I ever knew were not overtly racist. They didn't make comments about people of color or Jews. They didn't tell mean ethnic jokes. They had more problems with your Christian religious denomination than what color you were. We had a HUGE Catholic vs. Southern Baptist smackdown-o-rama perpetually raging.

Jews, however, not Christian, so they were fair game, but mostly it was the sigh and, "pity they're going to Hell, so and so is so NICE." thing.

I think it just goes to show that people will find the things that divide them and pick at them whatever they are.

If your community is ALL WHITE the white folks will find reasons to hate the other white folks.

People who are different are even more in danger, but people love to feel "superior" to others for any reason they can find. And they WILL find a reason and they WILL fight.

People want to feel special. They'll cling to anything and anyone that tells them they are, whether it's the Bible, a leader, or you name it. And people will do what they can to stomp on others to make themselves feel better.

I truly think it's what's behind all persecution of every kind.

It's also truly hard to address, but I can't help but thinking it should be part of any attack on racism, sexism or fanaticism of any kind.

Maybe we can sell them the concept that not being racist makes them better than other people?

Date: 2006-07-21 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] se-parsons.livejournal.com
I agree that it has become institutionalized. That certainly MUST be dealt with and is actually the easiest part to deal with.

But, I guess I'm from a tradition that believes in changing how people think and I think it's vital to do that, too. I guess it's my own little form of evangelicalism. Probably dangerous, that.

Date: 2006-07-22 09:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting this. Your early school experience was, I think you will not be surprised to learn, fairly similar to mine.

(P.S. I still think of you as Vanzetti and have to flip the consonants every time I type your LJ name.)

Date: 2006-07-22 10:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com
It is perfectly okay not to agree with and/or like everything I do. And on that particular post, I am surprised I haven't gotten more of a kickback.

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