Tigh's declaration of martial law went from "temporary emergency measure" to "military coup" in Lee's mind... it seems to me very much in character for him to cease to work with Tigh at all, and indeed to set about restoring civilian government.
Emmm. I disagree. (You knew that already. *g*)
Above all else, I don't think Lee's actions were either intellectually driven (vs his decision reguarding Zarek earlier) nor based primarily at restoring democratic government.
(You said "civilian", where I agree with you, but I've seen elsewhere the opinon that "Lee is all about Democracy".)
I tend to think that Apollo's actions *last* week were bordering on OOC - or, showed a side of his character that we'd seenlittle of before - namely, his weak and bitter side. (I'm referring to his "demanding thing, commanding a Battleship" snark and his attitude, as a whole, towards Tigh.) The closest we've seen to this unproffesional side of Lee was the fishmonger's screeching he did to Kara by the Raptor.
If those actions were not OOC, then I would say that they were emotionally driven, rather than intellectually. (Which would fit better in the circumstances, rather than assume Lee can be living in the brig with the President while his father lies in ICU and still function in a highly rational manner.)
Given that, I don't see his breaking of parole as being an intellectual thing, but an emotional rebellion.
I suspect that they key turning point for Lee was not the civilians shot by marines, but the return of Baltar to the fleet
This just hit me as I was typing up this post - I haven't seen anyone talk about Lee's personal opinion on using force against a threat wearing civilian clothes. I haven't even seen a flashback of it in the show. 33 was only what, three months ago? Lee has been there, has been the one to have to kill civilians (as far as he knows), and it hasn't even been touched on.
I could see that previous experience pushing Lee in either direction - either supportive of Tigh's move, or strongly condemning it, but I find it rather frustrating that we don't have any clue (or, at least, I don't) of what Lee's thought process was.
So, the killing of the rioters could have been a/the factor, but I dislike the way it was shown.
Back to Baltar - granted, Lee's seen far less of Baltar's craziness than just about anyone else on the ship. But Baltar was the man Kara fracked. I don't see Lee being able to deal with that, right now, in a logical way, and besides which, any such thought process happened *entirely* off screen. I doubt Lee is ignorant of the fact that Baltar is back on board, but I have no reason to think they've actually met since.
the return of the vice president to the fleet provides an obvious moment for Tigh to back down and start talking about a timetable for the restoration of civilian government.
I'm also a bit puzzled that people see to think that, now that Baltar is back on board, everyone - especially Tigh - would fall upon him with a glad heart - oh, here you are! symbol of rule-of-law! please, Baltar, take up the presidency and lead us all! IMO, that sort of a response requires people to have been entirely blind to Giaus's disturbing actions previously, rather than just non-commentative.
Not only does Tigh not do this, but he also (so it must seem to Lee) shows himself willing to use force to maintain his authority.
Hmmm. I'm trying to parse this out. Tigh uses force to secure supplies that Galactica - not Tigh, the military protection for the Fleet - needs to do it's job. I can't see that as "willing to use force to maintain his authority." There has been no other use of force or cohersion, that I saw.
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Date: 2005-08-09 08:33 pm (UTC)Emmm. I disagree. (You knew that already. *g*)
Above all else, I don't think Lee's actions were either intellectually driven (vs his decision reguarding Zarek earlier) nor based primarily at restoring democratic government.
(You said "civilian", where I agree with you, but I've seen elsewhere the opinon that "Lee is all about Democracy".)
I tend to think that Apollo's actions *last* week were bordering on OOC - or, showed a side of his character that we'd seenlittle of before - namely, his weak and bitter side. (I'm referring to his "demanding thing, commanding a Battleship" snark and his attitude, as a whole, towards Tigh.) The closest we've seen to this unproffesional side of Lee was the fishmonger's screeching he did to Kara by the Raptor.
If those actions were not OOC, then I would say that they were emotionally driven, rather than intellectually. (Which would fit better in the circumstances, rather than assume Lee can be living in the brig with the President while his father lies in ICU and still function in a highly rational manner.)
Given that, I don't see his breaking of parole as being an intellectual thing, but an emotional rebellion.
I suspect that they key turning point for Lee was not the civilians shot by marines, but the return of Baltar to the fleet
This just hit me as I was typing up this post - I haven't seen anyone talk about Lee's personal opinion on using force against a threat wearing civilian clothes. I haven't even seen a flashback of it in the show. 33 was only what, three months ago? Lee has been there, has been the one to have to kill civilians (as far as he knows), and it hasn't even been touched on.
I could see that previous experience pushing Lee in either direction - either supportive of Tigh's move, or strongly condemning it, but I find it rather frustrating that we don't have any clue (or, at least, I don't) of what Lee's thought process was.
So, the killing of the rioters could have been a/the factor, but I dislike the way it was shown.
Back to Baltar - granted, Lee's seen far less of Baltar's craziness than just about anyone else on the ship. But Baltar was the man Kara fracked. I don't see Lee being able to deal with that, right now, in a logical way, and besides which, any such thought process happened *entirely* off screen. I doubt Lee is ignorant of the fact that Baltar is back on board, but I have no reason to think they've actually met since.
the return of the vice president to the fleet provides an obvious moment for Tigh to back down and start talking about a timetable for the restoration of civilian government.
I'm also a bit puzzled that people see to think that, now that Baltar is back on board, everyone - especially Tigh - would fall upon him with a glad heart - oh, here you are! symbol of rule-of-law! please, Baltar, take up the presidency and lead us all! IMO, that sort of a response requires people to have been entirely blind to Giaus's disturbing actions previously, rather than just non-commentative.
Not only does Tigh not do this, but he also (so it must seem to Lee) shows himself willing to use force to maintain his authority.
Hmmm. I'm trying to parse this out. Tigh uses force to secure supplies that Galactica - not Tigh, the military protection for the Fleet - needs to do it's job. I can't see that as "willing to use force to maintain his authority." There has been no other use of force or cohersion, that I saw.