vaznetti: (john is a dork)
vaznetti ([personal profile] vaznetti) wrote2008-05-19 05:12 pm

just saying what everyone else is

It's nice not to feel completely out of step with the fandom re: Dean and his misogynist language; as everyone has pointed out, [livejournal.com profile] trollprincess did the math and there's a distinct upswing in the number of times Dean and Sam use pejoratives when addressing women -- from 3 times over 22 episodes to 18 times over 16. So it's not surprising that by the time I got to the end of the season I was more or less unmoved by Dean's suffering.

What I like best, though, are the excuses for it -- which range from "blame CW!" to "that's not sexist!" to "they deserve it!" to "it's because of the fangirls!" But my absolute favorite, so far, has to be "It's all John's fault!" ([livejournal.com profile] cereta's whole post there is worth reading, as are the comments). Because although indeed it is theoretically possible that John was a sexist asshole, the textual evidence we have does not support it. I am so tempted to go all teal deery about this! Because sure, Missouri and Ellen (and probably Mary) would totally have put up with that.

Unless calling Kate-the-vampire "sweetheart" counts in this context, of course.

[identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
And I remember Kripke wondering where all the X-Files fans were, why they weren't watching his show, and wondering what that show had that his show doesn't. And I though, how dumb can you be? It had Dana Scully. Competent, respected, and needed. Half the universe is female. But Kripke never did the math.

Yow. It's not like X-Files didn't have gender issues all over the place, but in terms of both Scully and various supporting and one shot females, it was miles and miles above the misogyny of SPN.

[identity profile] camille-is-here.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
I really miss Scully. And Buffy. And Aeryn Sun.

ETA: and Sydney Bristow!
Edited 2008-05-21 01:46 (UTC)