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vaznetti ([personal profile] vaznetti) wrote2006-08-28 08:00 am
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SPN: the absence of women

The absence of female characters from the ongoing SPN narrative seems to be the subject du jour, so I thought I'd jump in, because I'm usually one of the first to cry "misogyny" in the shows I watch (I'm looking at you, XF) but I don't see that here.


I think my response to this issue is based on the way I read the text, and so I think (a) that there are satisfying textual reasons for the absence of women and (b) that the show itself can be read as making the absence of women a problem. As we see in pretty much every intro for the whole run of the show, the Winchester family is an all-male enterprise, and it's an all-male enterprise because all the women in it were killed off -- not just Mary, but also Jess, at least in part because she was close enough to Sam to be perceived as a threat by the Demon. They didn't decide to leave the womenfolk at home while they went out on the road to do manly things like hunt demons -- they were driven to that when their whole world was thrown into imbalance by an external force which removed (effective) women from the world. Sam and John, at least, would like to return to a world with significant women in it, but they're both particular about who those women are -- they're attached to the idea of women as people as well as women as symbols. Dean's a good deal less particular, but he has all those rejection and abandonment issues, most of which are rooted in the loss of his mother at such a young age; again, the absence of women is a bad thing here.

I guess the short version is -- there are no women in the Winchester family because the Demon killed them all. The Demon is the big Evil, therefore the show does not seem to be telling me that the absence of women is a good thing. The Winchesters cope fairly well with a world which lacks significant women, but that world is not (in my opinion) presented as complete.

I'd like to talk about the guest-stars here, but maybe later -- right now it seems to me that there are villains and victims who are female, and villains and victims who are male or ungendered, and that female guest stars seem about as able to cope with what the Winchesters do as male guest stars. And ultimately, my reading of the show is based on the mytharc, not the MOTWs. Mileage varies.



As for comparisons to Buffy or XF, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the producers used the fact that the main characters are male to sell the show -- it's something to differentiate it on a network which already has a fair number of shows with a strong female presence (I mean, Charmed is still running, isn't it? and every time I catch an episode of Smallville, it seems to be all about the romances). And I don't think that having lots of juicy roles for women necessarily is enough to clear a show. Alias, for example, had a female hero and included good roles for more mature female actresses. It also represented relationships between women as almost universally competitive rather than cooperative, and marriage as a locus for deception and (in extreme but prominent cases) a form of warfare in which the wife is an enemy agent inserted within the husband's territory to undermine and destroy him.

My apologies if this doesn't make sense; I was awake at an unreasonable hour this morning, and lay there thinking about this because I couldn't fall back to sleep.

[identity profile] brynnmck.livejournal.com 2006-08-29 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes, yes to all of this. SPN is a fledgling show. It's finding its way. And the first season of most shows is dedicated to exploring the original premise--which, in the case of SPN, is two brothers searching for their father and kicking ass along the way. I compare SPN to X-Files in some ways, at least in terms of its setup (two main characters on a quest, MotW setup, lots of one-off characters, etc.), and even with XF, it took a while for any secondary characters (Skinner, Krycek, the CSM) to become significant. But it did happen, and it enriched the story, and I do think that SPN can head that direction in the future. But we're talking about the first season, here. Did it bug me that the early episodes contained a string of damsels in distress? Yeah, kinda. But taking the season as a whole, we see a whole bunch of different people in distress, and Dean and Sam aren't particularly connected to any of them (with the exception of Cassie and Sarah, and maybe Max, since Sam identifies so strongly with him), and that's fine with me for now. As time goes on, they can expand the world in an organic way, but for now, we're talking about the basic premise of the show, which involves three men. If that's not your (and this is the general "you," since obviously I am agreeing with you, personally :) ) thing, then probably SPN isn't the show for you, you know?

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2006-08-29 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I know V said she didn't want to, but I'm contemplating doing a blow-by-blow of the guest stars, because as I've said to others before, the victims of the week have never struck me as particularly damsel-like. The girl from Hook Man comes the closest, and the guy from Asylum runs a close second.

Anyway, yes, first season of a show with only two people -- men -- in the credits. That alone really tells you something about what you should be expecting.

(Anonymous) 2006-08-30 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
You got the breakdown I did, yes? Feel free to crib notes if you fancy.

- hg

[identity profile] lunardreamed.livejournal.com 2006-08-31 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
the victims of the week have never struck me as particularly damsel-like

Jumping in here, because this conversation is fascinating, but also look at some of the characters that were victims. I know not everyone agrees on popularity, but I especially liked Sarah and Andrea.

Neither of them faded into the background like "damsels in distress," but, more importantly, I think they were the most admired by Dean, who is supposed to be the stereotypical man's man. But what did he tell Sam when Sarah wouldn't run away? "Marry her." And I seriously don't think he was kidding. At least, not in the sense that this was an awesome woman who was worth time and effort.

And I know Cassie wasn't particularly popular, but I didn't see her calling Dean because she was a victim, but because, he was the expert. And it's pretty obvious that Dean's long term attraction to her was because she wasn't one of those blonde bimbos he claims to like.

And Layla. Her strength was that she wasn't the victim that Dean thought she was.